SEASON 1, EPISODE 02

THE NEW TECH WORLD

Silicon Valley has some serious issues, and here at Skillcrush we don’t think it should be your goal. To get a handle on those problems—and creative solutions—we talk to two major players in tech: Ellen Pao and Natalia Oberti Noguera.  

Ellen Pao’s story is riveting—she famously sued VC firm Kleiner Perkins for gender discrimination after a truly remarkable amount of sexism and backlash she faced for speaking up. She’s inspired scores of women to come forward and take on big name companies to change the face of tech. 

Next, Natalia Oberti Noguera tells us about the future of tech outside of Silicon Valley, and the incredible work she’s done to make tech a welcoming, supportive industry for all of us.  

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FROM THE EPISODE

"When this topic of diversity—or the lack thereof—comes up you’ll often hear experts and tech insiders talk about the “pipeline problem” meaning that there isn’t diversity in tech because women and men of color are just not interested in the field, so they’re not applying. The reason there is a pipeline problem—if there even is one—is because we’re not idiots and we can tell when we’re not wanted." —Adda Birnir

"If you want to be inclusive, be explicit."—Natalia Oberti Noguera

"I still thought of it as this meritocratic industry where I would be successful if I just worked hard enough and did a good enough job and then it wasn't really until I got to Kleiner and saw all the women around me getting different types of feedback that were really inconsistent and not a clear set of actions that needed to happen in order to be promoted. And I realized none of us are going to get promoted. And it all of the sudden dawned on me that this was a much bigger problem than me."—Ellen Pao

"If we really want to see more voices as entrepreneurs ‘shine bright like a diamond,’ we need to invest in diamonds in the rough."—Natalia Oberti Noguera

"If you look at women, like the reason that they're uncomfortable negotiating is because they get penalized for negotiating. People don't want them to negotiate and there's research that shows that women are penalized when they negotiate and so of course they don't negotiate. It's not that women are milder or meeker, it's that they've been trained not to. And I think that's important to realize, that it's not that I'm not doing a good enough job, it's people don't want me to do that job. I'm not sitting at the table because people don't want me at the table."—Ellen Pao

There's a very well-known white guy investor that was getting interviewed at a tech conference and he was asked, "What do you look for when you invest?" And he very nonchalantly said, "Someone like me." —Natalia Oberti Noguera

I think people started looking at white men who dropped out of Stanford or Harvard and studied computer science and that became the model to look for. This really young person who was a man, and who wasn't of color and people invested only in them or mostly in them and lo and behold that type of person was successful because they were the only people being invested in.—Ellen Pao

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